9/11 - what u think

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huhuhu,

i want you to write something about what u think really happened on 11th septembre 2001. plz take it serious and respect all opinions.

lol, you could write about how it is possible for a steel building to collapse which was considered to be practically indestructible?

or how it is possible for the pentagon, which is considered to be one of the most highly protected buildings in the world, to have only a 75ft. hole while a boeing 707(?????) has flew into it (without leaving any big plane fragments like wings or motor).

ye thats what i thought, as constructional engineer we talk much about 9/11 while lecture. Many students dont understand how the building collapse and cant believe that it is a "inside-job". The politic backgrounds are missing. The professors know how that story goes but they dont say too much to dont look like "conspirator".

But between private dialogues i can hear how they think about it

haha lol, please read my edit about the pentagon, that one is interesting too :p

Dutch wrote:lol, you could write about how it is possible for a steel building to collapse which was considered to be practically indestructible?

or how it is possible for the pentagon, which is considered to be one of the most highly protected buildings in the world, to have only a 75ft. hole while a boeing 707(?????) has flew into it (without leaving any big plane fragments like wings or motor).

There was a security camera filming the crash,and it looked like a plane,look it up.

A high building as WTC isnt the most stable building in the world,a plane crashed into it and the top of the building pushed the rest of the building down.

TheSoviet wrote:There was a security camera filming the crash,and it looked like a plane,look it up.

A high building as WTC isnt the most stable building in the world,a plane crashed into it and the top of the building pushed the rest of
the building down.

Thats the official story, we are talking about the 'conspiracy theory'

There is no video material which shows a 'real' plane, only something what looks like. Why is there no proper video image from the most protected building in the world? bit strange ain't it?

Dutch wrote:

TheSoviet wrote:There was a security camera filming the crash,and it looked like a plane,look it up.

A high building as WTC isnt the most stable building in the world,a plane crashed into it and the top of the building pushed the rest of
the building down.

Thats the official story, we are talking about the 'conspiracy theory'

There is no video material which shows a 'real' plane, only something what looks like. Why is there no proper video image from the most protected building in the world? bit strange ain't it?

What else could it be but a plane? And then what happened to the people that was supposed to be on that plane? I mean if it wasnt a plane,then what happened to the people on the real plane?

dont know lol, thats the question...

you should have seen the documentary it was brilliant.

It seems to farfetched to be honest.

ye that's what a lot of people think but what if it's true... could be one of the biggest crimes withing the unites states ever. :p

Look the USA has the best military defense then every other country in this world. In about 2 mins - lets say 5 mins - they can have a combat pilot everywhere in the US airspace. Its routine for the combat pilots to locate planes which turned off their transponder or abberate the normal route. Between the crashes of the 4 planes was about 75 minutes (or more). Not later then the 2nd crash in the WTC everyone should know that its an attack. But the combat pilots still got commands to stay at the ground level. They got the command to dont fly (statement from military). Not even the president has to give the order to shoot the planes, the minister of defence can give the order 2.

Thats only one part of the strange things.

50 years ago a bomber hit the empire state building (google it) and it burned. But about collapsing? Nothing. They deleted the fire and refurbished the inside. The steel beams was still 100% intact.

Steel is smelt by about 1200 °C. Kerosine get only a temperature by burning about 600 - 650 °C. Additionial the steel was protected by materials which protect the steel against fire. The plane hit only one side of the building, even if all those steel beams would smelt the building should collapse by flip to one site - not consecutively and not like a chart house. Straight collapses are only possible if its controlled, but u know the nature and the physics, theres nothing linear.


I know that sounds really like "wtf", but im constructive engineer and thats not even all.... . The three WTC's are the first towers in history of human which collapsed cuz of fire or lets call it "explosions".

The plane exploded inside the building,its not impossible for the buildings to fall down,it was civilian planes,NOONE knew what the terrorist was planning and the military probably didn't want to kill hundreds of civilians when they didn't know what the terrorists was going to do.

Nothing is impossible.

its right that its not impossible, but directly TWO towers fall down btw i correct myself: THREE towers collapsed (dont forget WTC 7, no plane hit it). on WTC 7 u only had FIRE, no explosions. The fire wasnt even much, but it was "official" enough to let it collapse.

Did u know that war against afghanistan was planned before 9/11? (source book: "9/11 and the background of american power politics"). they planned pipelines through afghanistan. this idea is going back till end of 1989. after cold war they still kept the relationship to taliban and al qaida to controle the area. Afghanistan is a central point in the middle east which is really valuable for the province. The problem ist that all assassins from 9/11 was from saudi-arabia (really good relations to USA) and they get their flying-lessons in america. It has been never proven 100% that osama did this attack (in some videos he even said that he never did that. in other videos he said he was it. not easy to find out which is fake and which is real).


Even if we would say now it wasnt an inside job - there are still much STRANGE things which arent clear.

I think it was more then fire that made WTC 7 to collapse,lets not forget that 2 of the biggest buildings in the world fell down to the ground.

but why this building has to collapse the same way like the twin towers? =) if u look at pics, which arent blown up, they collapse area by area. Parts are still staying on their position, here some pics:






and this example is really nice (shanghai lol) building felt on one site and its still look like its full of health haha

Bad luck i guess,shit happens dawg

i cant find out ur position. Do you believe in the official version or do you think something is wrong on official version or do you think it was inside job?

I believe it was an terrorist attack and not a conspiracy.

like most of the people :p

I'm not that paranoid about anything,even if it was a conspiracy i wouldnt care.

this speech is interesting which was in BBC news two days ago from David Cameron. He made this speech infront of the soldiers which was in Afghanistan. A short time after he said "In/on 9-11 when the twin towers were Blown up'' the speech was cut and not repeated again. Even in the article which was written later the sentences never appeared. Noone tried to correct what he said, they just tried to hide it. Good that there was some good listener's

whatever it was

Lets agree that since that attack, americans went all crazy and obsesed with security, they think that people don't have better things to do than to freak out americans

Just look at the england VS USA example in the world cup:
''USA is very worried about terrorism, thats why the South African army is on the streets''

Was something like that, on the news, they just think that they are all-mighty, im not saying their bad. Their just obsessed

There is a lot of money to be earned in the weapons industry and private security these days.. :p

Why arrest this man?

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AN armed American builder has been arrested in Pakistan — on a crazed lone mission to kill Osama bin Laden.
The 52-year-old was found hiding out in a remote forest carrying a pistol, a 40in sword and hi-tech night vision equipment.
He has been identified as Gary Faulkner, a construction worker from California.

Police officer Mumtaz Ahmad Khan said: "We initially laughed when he told us that he wanted to kill Osama bin Laden."
But he said that the cops' "suspicions grew" when they seized Faulkner's mini arsenal of weaponry.
He was being questioned today by intelligence officials in Peshawar, in the north-west of the city.
He was picked up in a forest in the country's mountainous Chitral region — one of bin Laden's several rumoured hiding places.
Faulkner told police he had visited Pakistan seven times, and this was his third trip to Chitral.
Police alleged the American intended to travel to the eastern Afghan region of Nuristan, just across the border from Chitral.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3014766/Builders-bid-to-kill-Osama-bin-Laden.html#ixzz0r2fDMvW1


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He want to kill the most wanted 'terrorist' ever (see: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted.htm) but this is 'prevented': the question is why?

loloo did u guys ever heard about blackwater? they rule pakistan cuz they are corrupt like shit. There are sources which published that Osama bin Laden was in a hospital in Pakistan while 9/11. Osama is the hope for america to have an excuse for wars and killing people. He get much money for it since cold war. Saddam Hussein also worked for CIA once, but he decided to go his own way, thats why he got executed and his country getting killed.

Itsame do you have any proof for everything you claim, or is it a shot in the mist?

but I like your ideas. I actually do. USA is doing the same thing to Parkistan, Iraq so on, as they did with Vietnam. North Vietnam became communists, and like if it was some disease, they tried to stop it, so Laos, Cambodia and Thailand wouldn't become communists, and possible enemies as well.
That is my guess.
That they are trying to secure themselves for possible enemies.
Actually kind of like Nazi Germany's soldiers attack Poland, in disguise. They were wearing another country's uniforms. Wolf in sheep cloths?

The media isnt doing their job, so im reading books from authors which visited the countries and stayed here AND talked with the population. I have better things to do then telling lies in the internet, thats why im restrain a lil bit (then compared with in the past) to discuss this all in the internet. You can find much shit in the internet and even me must sometimes laugh then i read an article in the internet - but thats nothing new, sometimes i even laugh if i watch BBC/NT-V etc.

I recommend books from "Dr. Todenhöfer" or "Peter Scholl-Latour" and many other books. They was in the critical countries and saw the truth.

I could allege thousands of sites here now, but most of them are in german. To understand it 100% i read them in german or turkish, not in english. So i cant find the 1:1 article in english. Here i try to give u some sources.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080911_quagmire_phase_2_the_invasion_of_pakistan/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6945254.ece


i dunno anyway why u always want proofs, if u dont believe me, dont demand the sources from me. u are free to use the internet and nearly everything what i write here u can read it somewhere again. Maybe u getting clearer by reasearching it. False flag attack isnt anything new: Hitler did it, the USA did it many times and Israel is doing it 2.

Dutch wrote:Why arrest this man?

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AN armed American builder has been arrested in Pakistan — on a crazed lone mission to kill Osama bin Laden.
The 52-year-old was found hiding out in a remote forest carrying a pistol, a 40in sword and hi-tech night vision equipment.
He has been identified as Gary Faulkner, a construction worker from California.

Police officer Mumtaz Ahmad Khan said: "We initially laughed when he told us that he wanted to kill Osama bin Laden."
But he said that the cops' "suspicions grew" when they seized Faulkner's mini arsenal of weaponry.
He was being questioned today by intelligence officials in Peshawar, in the north-west of the city.
He was picked up in a forest in the country's mountainous Chitral region — one of bin Laden's several rumoured hiding places.
Faulkner told police he had visited Pakistan seven times, and this was his third trip to Chitral.
Police alleged the American intended to travel to the eastern Afghan region of Nuristan, just across the border from Chitral.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3014766/Builders-bid-to-kill-Osama-bin-Laden.html#ixzz0r2fDMvW1


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He want to kill the most wanted 'terrorist' ever (see: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted.htm) but this is 'prevented': the question is why?

Because he had guns and swords? I can't go to pakistan with a machine gun and say 'Im gonna kill Osama Bin Laden' and get away with it.

lol why not? need at least an AK to defend yourself :p

Still illegal

So what do you guys think?
Is Osama Bin Laden even real?
Is he an animated person the United States of America, made as an excuse of invading Parkistan and Iraq?
Tell me what you think

ofc he is real, the USA needs a sub-terrorist to justify their wars. Not only against Pakistan and Iraq. Against Afghanistan, Iran, Syria and maybe other countries 2. That war against terrorism is war against the middle east and the humans. Many still think about the massacres of 2nd world war, so they try to embellish it with the media. This shit started in the cold war (maybe even before) moved along korea, vietnam, israel, afghanistan, iraq and maybe in the future other countries like iran. It always started with the same statement: They are evil, we are good (propaganda what we learned by hitler). Nothing new, but many people try to stay apolitical so they can say later "i didnt knew anything about it".

Thats what western politicy is based on

9/11 - im sure that mutants made it

PimpMyGun wrote:9/11 - im sure that mutants made it

no it was malcolm x lol

Agree
remeber hitler?
He used the jews to go to war

lolooo wikileaks won again
Terrorism won on 9/11 and now they won in Afghanistan. Everyone said it they would lose this war in Afghanistan.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/wikileaks-us-armee-in-afghanistan-verraten-und-verkauft-1.979940

ITSAME wrote:lolooo wikileaks won again
Terrorism won on 9/11 and now they won in Afghanistan. Everyone said it they would lose this war in Afghanistan.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/wikileaks-us-armee-in-afghanistan-verraten-und-verkauft-1.979940

lol that was today in the evening news in portugal lol

Nobody can stop the internetz

i think its good for us that we have some "real journalists" which do their work. but its bad for the government heheheh

ITSAME wrote:lolooo wikileaks won again
Terrorism won on 9/11 and now they won in Afghanistan. Everyone said it they would lose this war in Afghanistan.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/wikileaks-us-armee-in-afghanistan-verraten-und-verkauft-1.979940

Sorry i don't speak german

was thinking the same red

sry i thought u guys would be able to use google

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/26wiki.html

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?688530


look master also heard about it and knew what i posted even if the site was in german, so why u guys cant understand it? i thought u try to be informed if u join a discussion.

Then why did you post it if you thought everyone that would join the discussion already knew about it?

this is a nice video with alan hart
text is in german but the voice speech is in english.
if u search for it maybe u find it for ur own country with subtitle 2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmga7FVYbks

brilliant :p

soon i make a presentation in my university about 9/11 and i talked with my professor about it that iam free to present everything untill its proven and i only focus on construcional physics will be fun and i invited all my friends to this. if u guys want u can visit me 2 =D

@ tits: to far away my love :p

Record it in english and upload for us ^^

i tell my guys to cut a video while i make that presentation and i make it for u in english =D
i told everyone to be there for presentation to rape all

Or just write subtitles

Oder synchronisieren in English ;-)